----BEGIN CLASS---- [13:30] #startclass [13:30] Roll call [13:30] Md Salman Ansari [13:30] Bryan [13:30] Manu Shaurya [13:30] Kanay bhandari [13:30] Ritik Raushan [13:30] sparsh [13:30] Ayush Jayaswal [13:30] Ankur [13:30] Rayan Das [13:30] Poonam Chauhan [13:30] Pravar Agrawal [13:30] kumar prateek [13:31] Abhishek Kumar [13:31] darshna das [13:31] Today will be a review, feedback and Q&A session [13:31] Jason Braganza [13:31] Kuntal Majumder [13:32] I want each one of you, at your turn, to answer the following questions for us: [13:32] Kush [13:32] Roll Call: Nilesh Patra [13:32] 1. How has it been going so far? 2. What have you learnt new since the beginning of the summer training? 3. Anything that you did not understand or is not clear? 4. Any negative feedback? [13:33] Please use "!", and wait for your turn [13:33] ! [13:33] ! [13:34] next [13:35] ! [13:35] ! [13:35] 1) not going good. 2) learn basic command line and use of Tor 3)some networking term like SOCKS [13:35] ! [13:36] sap143, have you done any computer networking course? what effort have you taken to understand on SOCKS? [13:37] sap143, your typing speed needs to improve [13:37] next [13:37] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/MnYmuYJi [13:37] mbuf not done any networking course search on the internet but not get clear idea [13:37] ! [13:38] sap143, you need to learn to write better than that; what did you search for? what results did you get? and in that what was not clear? [13:38] sap143, as an engineer, we expect people to be clear on what they write, not write abstractly [13:38] sap143, I want a detailed answer from you [13:39] ! [13:40] sap143, the reason we emphasize on communication is that everyone must write in detail, and replies should be well composed [13:40] sap143, any negative feedback? [13:40] kanay, I asked four questions, and you could have mentioned the number next to your answer [13:40] kanay, any answers for questions 3 and 4? [13:41] kanay, it is called being explicit [13:41] I am understanding well from the sessions as I am reading the logs [13:41] all of you need to read technical material, so you understand how to write [13:41] next [13:41] course is good till now || learned about linux command line , linux file system , using debugger || Linux file system wasn't explained very well andr there was no programming assignments [13:42] ! [13:42] katek_warren, so what additional material did you refer to read on file systems? [13:42] I do not have any negative feedback, but I want you to suggest some videos along with the logs so that we can understand well [13:42] kanay, what is preventing you from searching for videos online to read on specific topics? [13:43] first I searched on youtube for getting an overview [13:43] kanay, as I mentioned earlier, we are not here to spoon feed you, and we are here to guide you [13:43] kanay, we want you to take every step forward, and we will course correct you, as needed [13:43] mbuf: ok thank you [13:43] kanay, the effort has to come from you, because, you are the one who is going to learn [13:44] katek_warren, which ones? and were they useful? [13:44] then I searched and found linux official pages for file system but after initial pages I wasn't getting much understanding [13:44] katek_warren, which part of the document did you not understand? and what did you do afterwards? [13:44] videos or pages?? [13:44] katek_warren, everything! [13:44] katek_warren, I want explicit answers, no abstract replies [13:45] katek_warren, when you are learning, many things will be unknown, and it is essential to dig deep to see what each word means [13:45] katek_warren, just giving up is not an answer from an engineer's perspective [13:45] next [13:46] ! [13:46] http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_03_01.html I am following this documentation for file system [13:47] Those who joined late, please use your turn to answer the following: https://paste.debian.net/1090031/ [13:47] ! [13:48] katek_warren, and I asked which part did you not understand? [13:48] next [13:48] 1. It's been going great so far. I wasn't that much regular in attending the classes previous week due to some family affairs, but I do visit the logs once I get time. Will try to attend all the classes starting from today. 2. The hacker perspective, How to ask smart questions, Impact and pros of blogging. To sum it up, I've learnt many things new which I wasn't familiar with before. 3. I am still going th [13:48] rough the logs of the classes which I've missed and will surely come up with questions if any. 4. No negative feedback so far. [13:48] next [13:49] katek_warren, have you worked with the command line before? [13:49] yes [13:50] Here's my answer: paste.gnome.org/peyblzina . Apologies for late reply, problem with my internet connection. [13:50] katek_warren, you have not answered my question [13:50] My problem with file system were--> [13:51] gargantua_kerr[m, different people learn at different speeds [13:51] inode -do they only carry file's metadata only?? [13:51] gargantua_kerr[m, we are not running private tuitions, and that is part of being in a group [13:51] gargantua_kerr[m, nothing is stopping you from going ahead and reading all the previous years' logs [13:52] brb [13:52] katek_warren, so where have you searched for this information on inode? [13:52] ! [13:52] next [13:52] 1. Everything is going good now but when I started I got frustrated. 2. Learned alot about hackers culture, Linux commands which was totally new for me, how to use Tor, got motivation for writing. 3. File system hierarchy was little bit tough. 4. Till now there is now negative feedback. [13:52] On youtube only [13:53] katek_warren, why only? [13:54] ! [13:54] katek_warren, slide #57, http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/i-want-2-do-project-tell-me-wat-2-do-white.pdf [13:55] katek_warren, If your car or bike breaks down, you look at other ways to reach college/office, right? maybe a bus, tram, train etc. [13:55] katek_warren, so, if you want answers, you need to look at multiple sources [13:56] katek_warren, if we give you one book to read, you should read 3-4 other books from different authors to get a different perspective of the subject [13:56] next [13:57] katek_warren, also, http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before [13:58] ratanshreshtha[m, difference between Free Software and Open Source was already discussed; what is the confusion? [13:58] next [13:58] 1. It's going average, but I've learnt many things (about Unix, FSF, Privacy, Security etc) since where I started. 2. Got introduced to the architecture of Unix (need to give more time), Tor. I blogged even before I came here, but got some motivation to increase the frequency, learnt about the Free software foundation etc. 3) I want to go to the beginning of why/how things started, to connect better. I guess, I have all the resources and motivation here. 4) [13:58] next [13:58] 1) its going really well, though not able to take full benefit out of it, but will try 2) learnt more about gnu/linux and other tools 3) having problem in file system hierarchy [13:58] swiftkiller, "what problem"? [13:59] next [13:59] swiftkiller, what did you do to solve it? [13:59] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/DXRT4uc9 [14:00] understanding few topics, even watched few videos on it but in them they used even more topics, but ya slowing i am actually able to i=understand it bit by bit [14:00] kanay, your numbering is incorrect, and you have not answered my questions [14:00] kanay, answer my questions first [14:01] swiftkiller, videos are not the only answer; there are blogs, books, forum or mailing posts that you can refer [14:01] using only one source is a single point of failure [14:01] next [14:01] 1.Sessions are going in a decent pace with enough resources 2. Importance of reading and writing|| Teaching others is best way to learn || linux commands || Hacker ethics || Tor browser for anonymous communication and a lot 3. DuckDuckGo clear may maximum doubts,for now no doubt 4. null [14:01] okay will try them to. thanks :) [14:01] ! [14:02] next [14:03] A simple search in DuckDuckGo for FHS gave me this useful link, https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html [14:03] 1. Good [14:03] 2. Learnt importance of GNU, creating individual online presence,tor project. [14:03] 3.No [14:04] 4.A suggestion: A source where we can lookup to get links and references to read after every class. [14:05] https://lym.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ is a good place to start, of course, but, if you want to learn more, I'd recommend "UNIX Concepts and Applications" by Sumitabha Das [14:05] Reading logs to find links tends to get tedious [14:05] For the ones who have attended the class but only want to lookup the links [14:05] poo17nam[m], I already answered that earlier once; you are supposed to note down the links when reading the logs, and refer them later [14:06] poo17nam[m], there is a method to study [14:06] poo17nam[m], you take notes when reading [14:06] next [14:06] I will now open the floor for Q&A [14:07] I don't want people to skim through the logs. I want you to read and understand each and every statement that we are making [14:07] Learning to ask "why" is part of the hacker culture [14:08] Like FOSS have to follow free software philosophy and OSS just have to stick to open source manifesto ? [14:08] So I FOSS and OSS are not equivalent ? [14:08] poo17nam[m], the links are provided with a context in mind; just looking at the links is no use [14:08] poo17nam[m], you need to understand why it was given in the first place [14:09] rote learning does not help in the long run [14:09] ratanshreshtha[m, use "!" [14:09] ! [14:09] ratanshreshtha[m, to ask your question [14:09] next [14:09] Isn't surveillance over the network by government for our security ? [14:10] shaur, that is debatable [14:10] ! [14:10] shaur, we can talk about it after the session. [14:10] ! [14:10] next [14:10] Sorry for incorrect numbering. But I have answered your questions [14:10] As far as secure communications are concerned, will we use ricochet for instance in the course of the classes? [14:11] Whoroo, we want people to learn best practices and use them [14:12] kanay, Where is your reply to my four questions in https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/DXRT4uc9? [14:12] next [14:12] ratanshreshtha[m, Free Software and Open Source are different [14:12] Like FOSS have to follow free software philosophy and OSS just have to stick to open source manifesto ? [14:12] So I FOSS and OSS are not equivalent ? [14:12] ratanshreshtha[m, what have you read on the subject so far? [14:12] I understand mbuf I attend the class through phone while traveling and read the links the next day . The other day I have to go through the complete log just to find the links although I've been through it while the session. [14:13] ratanshreshtha[m, FOSS does not follow Free Software philosophy, as it include OSS [14:13] poo17nam[m], no harm in re-reading the logs; it might give you a different perspective [14:13] next [14:14] Okay mbuf [14:14] mbuf: okay [14:14] Mbuf: I have answered it in the starting [14:14] That solved my doubt [14:15] What I would like from you all is that, hereafter, when you make a statement, I want you to all to write in detail, as to what you did to better understand, or solve a problem; what references you found; how did you approach the task in hand etc. [14:16] You need to learn to write like an engineer, and writing in detail, and being explicit is expected from all of you [14:17] kanay, Can you answer it again? [14:17] Yes [14:18] kanay, I do not see your answer in your irccloud paste [14:19] Any last minute questions? [14:20] kanay, you need to improve your typing speed [14:20] Let's end the session. Roll call. [14:20] Pravar Agrawal [14:20] Sk Sahidullah [14:20] <_honey_> honey bhardwaj [14:20] Ritik Raushan [14:20] Abhishek Kumar [14:20] Bryan [14:20] Md Salman Ansari [14:21] sparsh [14:21] Nilesh Patra [14:21] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/EsiEXYtc [14:21] Kanay bhandari ----END CLASS----