----BEGIN CLASS---- [13:30] #startclass [13:30] Welcome everyone to dgplug summer training 2019. [13:30] This is the first session of this year. [13:30] Means we will have a lot of housekeeping to do today. [13:31] \o/ [13:31] utkarsh2102: don't speak in between. [13:31] First of all, please type "me' without quotes here if you are here for this year's training. 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[13:33] me [13:34] During any of the sessions, if you have any question, feel free to type ! and wait for batul to call your name. Only send in the question when batul asks you so. [13:34] Not before. [13:34] Example: [13:34] ! [13:34] next [13:34] next [13:35] ^^^ like this. [13:35] Next, we sent out a link to a FAQ document in the email, who all did not go through that page/URL? Type me here if you did not read that page. [13:36] me [13:36] me [13:36] me [13:36] me [13:36] me [13:36] me [13:36] me [13:37] me [13:37] me [13:37] That would be the second step :) [13:37] First you all should go through https://foss.training [13:37] and then the FAQ page. [13:37] Do that after today's session. [13:38] In this training we will not spoon feed you, means, you will have to read and follow the instructions. [13:38] If you don't do what we ask, no one will blame you. [13:39] As this is a training to help people become self efficient. [13:40] Before going into more details, we would love to hear the questions you have. Feel free to type ! if you have any question. [13:40] ! [13:40] ! [13:40] ! [13:40] ! [13:40] next [13:41] Is batul a bot? [13:41] timonsmith, yes. [13:41] next [13:41] Hey Everyone, i would like to understand training syllabus [13:42] shivank98, https://dgplug.org/summertraining18/#list-of-courses [13:42] next [13:42] if we are not able to attend a session so where we will be able to access the chat?(or say the brief of the session) [13:42] swiftkiller, except a few sessions everything will recorded in the logs. [13:42] you can read the log if you miss a session. [13:42] next [13:43] ! [13:43] ! [13:43] ! [13:43] would we bw knowing the topic to be discussed in the class before-hand, or would it be revealed when the class starts [13:43] depends, in many sessions you will know before hand. [13:43] many cases during the session. [13:44] next [13:44] I see coverage of emacs, I use vim, do we need to dive into emacs too? [13:44] Whoroo, if you want to :) [13:44] next [13:44] the syllabus link is same as last year's, is it going to be the same? [13:45] arpana, mostly same. We always bring in changes every year. [13:45] next [13:45] will the coming sessions be related to this session or they would be covering other topics? [13:45] udidude, both [13:45] next [13:46] ! [13:46] Next. [13:46] ah [13:46] next [13:46] ! [13:46] will these sessions take linux topics which are basic or advanced too? [13:46] ! [13:47] udidude, we will start with basics and then move into advance things. [13:47] next [13:47] this time butal is modified version or same ? [13:47] same [13:47] next [13:47] how we can get to know about the timing? [13:48] There is a calendar link given in the site and also in the channel topic. [13:49] The calendar will have all the session details, keep an eye on that. [13:49] ! [13:49] ! [13:49] If you search, you will figure out how to add that in your phone's calendar. [13:49] next [13:50] This calender only shows one event for today, are the remaining yet to be populated? https://calendar.dgplug.org/index.php/apps/calendar/p/yQ8Tq48XMPeCNa8a/dgplug [13:50] souvikhaldar, yes [13:50] next [13:50] Same questions [13:50] Just to add to kushal's replies, we would like all of you to be available online on IRC as much as you can, talk with people here, and make friends [13:51] The sessions are usually scheduled at 19:00 IST, and we want you to have the habit of keeping yourself available for a class at this time [13:52] Sometimes, there are special guest sessions as well, so it is important for you to learn to engage in IRC and learn from each other [13:52] ! [13:52] ! [13:52] prophet [13:52] Regarding training sessions, there are foundation courses that everyone MUST take; and then there are special sessions that are organized as well [13:53] Learning to use a text editor is required, but, whatever editor you use, make sure that you learn it to the fullest [13:54] https://dgplug.org/irclogs/mbuf_1stclass.log [13:54] This is the log from 2008 and still very much important. [13:54] Your today's task is to read this and understand. [13:54] ! [13:54] also https://summertraining.readthedocs.io/en/latest/communication.html#do-not-write-html-emails [13:55] next [13:55] Can i Attend this class from an Android Device? [13:55] ! [13:55] SSahid, you can use any device for IRC, but, you will need Linux for doing the actual work. [13:56] next [13:56] SSahid you could eat your rice bowl with a straw. question is would you want to? [13:56] apart from the sessions can we discuss different topics related ti technology or any new upcoming trends. [13:57] to* [13:58] akash9, this is a chatting platform, when there is no session going on, feel free to discuss anything which is okay to be discussed in a public place. [13:58] So do we have to read only the given logs today? [13:58] SSahid, a number of people here connect to IRC on their mobile, and having IRC chat is very useful, especially with a poor Internet connection [13:58] sorry just pressed enter by mistake [13:58] mdl2000, you are asking out of turn, wait for your turn. [13:58] SSahid, that is also one of the reasons we have been using IRC successfully for over a decade [13:58] Btw, everyone should also have read of https://heyguys.cc/ [13:59] akash9, we do have both technical and non-technical discussions in the channel, but, we try to adhere to Free/Libre and Open Source Software the most [13:59] If you read the documents tonight, try to think about if you have done any mistake while replying back in the mailing list. [13:59] next [13:59] akash9, and we like to maintain a good signal-noise ratio [14:00] So do we have to read only the given logs today? [14:00] mdl2000, the session is not done yet :) [14:00] Ohh, okay [14:00] mdl2000, there is a lot of reading that we expect everyone to do, and that is an important habit to inculcate [14:00] also there are logs available from previous years, so you should have a look at those too. [14:00] Sure [14:00] ! [14:00] next [14:00] mdl2000, just because we give one reference does not mean, it is the only one you should read; you will have to refer more resources to improve your knowledge [14:00] till how many days these sessions will be held? [14:01] mbuf [14:01] Sure [14:01] udidude, every year we start, we never end. [14:01] okay [14:01] Because working of Free software and this community and learning in general never ends. [14:01] next [14:02] do we also have ama sessions? [14:02] ! [14:02] mdl2000, we want people to learn to be independent, read hard, write a lot, work on practical problems and seek guidance as required [14:02] shaur, we never told you not to ask about anything (yet). [14:02] So, you can ask questions, if the speaker wants, they can decide not to talk about that or talk later in private. [14:03] next [14:03] mbuf: I get it [14:03] do we have to install any softwares or login into websites like git for different purposes? [14:03] If you read the logs, you will find we focus a lot in thinking, reading and writing here. [14:04] With being able to think one can have ethics in life. [14:04] udidude, depending on the session, pre-requisites may be sent to the mailing list, prior to the session; but, that depends on the topic and the speaker [14:04] udidude, and we will help you to do so. [14:04] ok.thanks [14:05] next [14:05] ! [14:05] next [14:06] There is a way to work with Free/Libre and Open Source Software, and a mindset is required for the same. If you really enjoy solving problems, learning something new everyday, and utilizing it in practice, then you benefit from the training sessions [14:06] We are here to guide you, but, you must put it in 120% effort [14:06] which programming language would be preferred more? [14:07] kaustubh, for example: if you are hungry, what would you love to eat at that moment? [14:07] kaustubh, every programming language was designed for a purpose, and understanding the history and reason behind the design of the language matters [14:08] ok [14:08] kaustubh, you need to use the right programming language to solve the right problem with the right people at the right time; all this has already been discussed in the previous years IRC logs; if you already went through the previous years logs, you will find the answers; we will talk about all that in the foundation sessions [14:09] what are different types of hacker? [14:09] kaustubh, we will be giving lot of homework, and it is important for you to do it, refer more resources; learning is hard, but, you need to be patient with yourself in the process [14:10] avkolte: wait for your turn. [14:10] After you finished the links already given, read this http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [14:10] And remember that we suggest to use https://duckduckgo.com for searching. [14:10] Tomorrow we can discuss the why part :) [14:11] and also in the future sessions. [14:11] Also, remember to register your irc nickname [14:11] ! [14:11] This is your identity and personal brand. [14:11] next [14:12] avkolte, you need to type "!" and wait for batul to prompt you to ask your question [14:12] startpage and ixquick make similar claims, are they on par? [14:12] ^^ this is related to duckduckgo.com (for everyone). [14:13] Whoroo, I am not sure, for now we are just suggesting to use duckduckgo. [14:13] ! [14:13] next [14:14] i want to know what are types of different hackers? [14:14] avkolte, Hackers are people who push technology to the forefront. They are eager to solve challenging problems. Unfortunately, the media has misused the term for decades. [14:14] avkolte, we will come to that topic later on. [14:14] ok [14:14] ! [14:14] avkolte, people who break into systems or cause attacks are called crackers. In engineering today, hackers are always the good people [14:15] difference b/w redhat , whitehat, grayhat [14:15] avkolte, couple of quick reading homework 1. http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html 2. https://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ [14:16] i heard this terminologies [14:16] @ghishadow Someone help him. :| [14:16] avkolte, white/gray are all marketing terms; don't fall into the trap; Red Hat is a company [14:16] Keeps logging in and quitting. [14:16] avkolte, do not believe everything that the media says [14:16] mbuf ok [14:17] avkolte, as kushal said, we can talk about the hacker culture in coming sessions; this is what I referred to as having the right mindset [14:17] avkolte, I have already given you homework :) [14:17] ! [14:17] mbuf, i will check it [14:17] next [14:17] for today do we just have to read given links and come back tomorrow( or is it fine if i can leave this chat and focus on given task)? [14:17] this time, can we expect session on GNU emacs? [14:18] digitronik, I have already completed sessions on GNU Emacs, and the logs are available for you to go through them [14:18] digitronik, Have you gone through the logs from last year? [14:18] digitronik, you are welcome to ask any specific questions during the training [14:18] thanks [14:18] digitronik: wait for your turn please [14:18] next [14:19] shivank98, think like this. [14:19] I already asked my question. it was my bad [14:19] shivank98, you are in a class, and you have given some home task for night, will you run out of the school to do that hometask at home? [14:20] or will you continue with your normal day and go back home later at night and then do the homework? [14:20] got it, Thanks [14:21] Any other question? [14:21] As mbuf said earlier, new folks should try to stay online as much as possible. [14:21] and learn how to talk over Internet. [14:22] I'm really sorry for being late [14:22] mbuf, Thanks [14:22] thomasb892, no problem, try to be on time from tomorrow. [14:22] Ok [14:22] Btw, we will also do a roll call everyday. [14:23] Type in your name when we say roll call. Example: [14:23] Roll call. 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