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[13:30] <kushal> #startclass
[13:30] <devesh_verma> Devesh Verma
[13:30] <poojaencoded> pooja kumari singh
[13:30] <ABD> Any session today ?
[13:30] <sourabh1031> Sourabh Pruthi
[13:30] <ABD> Abdul Raheem
[13:30] <RatanShreshtha> Ratan Kulshreshtha
[13:30] <j605> Jagannathan Tiruvallur Eachambadi
[13:30] <kps> Karan Pratap
[13:30] <rishibit> Rishikesh Bamdale
[13:30] <prokbird> tabrez khan
[13:30] <storymode7> No Roll Call announced yet.
[13:30] <sourabh1031> ABD session is started
[13:30] <shivam> Shivam Bansal
[13:30] <devesh_verma> Sorry posted before roll call
[13:30] <v16k> Vishal Kushwaha
[13:31] <kushal> storymode7, hehe
[13:31] <Aironly> Deep
[13:31] <kushal> avik, not things, thinks
[13:31] <avik> kushal, yes! :D
[13:31] <kushal> I will skip roll call today
[13:31] <prabhu> Prabhu Sharan Singh
[13:31] <Sarques__> Gajendra Saraswat
[13:31] <spythrone> Pragyat Singh Rana
[13:32] <kushal> AdityaPatil, yup
[13:32] <kushal> Hence proves people do not read :)
[13:32] <storymode7> AdityaPatil, kushal :P
[13:32] <ash_mishra> kushal, hehehehe
[13:32] <kushal> next
[13:32] <kushal> Now, any questions on RST?
[13:32] <kps> No
[13:33] <sourabh1031> !
[13:33] <kushal> next
[13:33] <sourabh1031> difference betwee rst and markdown
[13:33] <kushal> sourabh1031, you will have to learn both to figure out, it is like asking difference between C and C++
[13:34] <kushal> Any other question?
[13:34] <sehenaz> kushal, nope.
[13:34] <pooja_s> Roll call: sulakhe pooja
[13:34] <j605> !
[13:34] <kushal> next
[13:34] <avik> !
[13:34] <j605> is there a way to have TeX formulas in RST?
[13:35] <kushal> j605, yes, we will get to that later.
[13:35] <umesh> Roll call: Umesh Sharnagat
[13:35] <kushal> next
[13:35] <avik> Learning one should be enough? (rst and markdown?)
[13:35] <sourabh1031> kushal but there is a difference between c and c++ but both are good at their place is this similar case with md and rst?
[13:35] <kushal> sourabh1031, Yup
[13:36] <sourabh1031> kushal thanks<eom>
[13:36] <kushal> sourabh1031, For example, I use Markdown for my blog posts, and RST for all the technical documentation.
[13:36] <ananyo> Roll Call: Ananyo Maiti
[13:37] <kushal> avik, you will have to learn both, not that difficult.
[13:37] <kushal> avik, I sometimes type markdown in the rst files.
[13:37] <kushal> Always remember, everyone does mistakes
[13:37] <kushal> next
[13:37] <kushal> Who all do not know about Markdown?
[13:37] <kushal> say me here
[13:37] <AdityaPatil> me
[13:37] <avik> kushal, ok! yes, they are quite intuitive! ok. <eom>
[13:38] <prokbird> me
[13:38] <AdityaPatil> not me
[13:38] <bismi> me
[13:38] <priyankasaggu119> me
[13:38] <poojaencoded> me
[13:38] <ananyo> Not me
[13:38] <v16k> not used for quite a while
[13:38] <shivam> not me
[13:38] <kushal> I said who does not know?
[13:38] <shivam> me
[13:38] <RatanShreshtha> me
[13:38] <sd30> Me
[13:38] <sehenaz> no
[13:39] <sehenaz> me sorry
[13:39] <RatanShreshtha> sorry
[13:39] <VirtualRcoder> not me
[13:39] <kps> Me
[13:39] <snandi> me
[13:40] <kushal> https://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/ is the place to read.
[13:40] <kushal> Have a look at the basics and the syntax
[13:40] <kushal> you can install the markdown tool by using dnf or apt.
[13:40] <kushal> Start reading, and ask questions here (!).
[13:42] <sourabh_1031> !
[13:42] <kushal> next
[13:43] <sourabh_1031> kushal is there any editor which supports md in offline mode
[13:43] <j605> you don't need internet for markdown
[13:43] <j605> it is offline
[13:44] <kushal> sourabh_1031, as j605 said.
[13:44] <kushal> sourabh_1031, do you want a preview while you are typing?
[13:44] <kushal> There are plugins/extensions for that, in all the major IDEs.
[13:44] <sourabh_1031> kushal yes
[13:44] <kushal> vscode or atom
[13:44] <sourabh_1031> j605 , kushal okay thanks
[13:45] <kushal> sourabh_1031, Generally markdown is so simple that you will not need that after you write for some days :)
[13:46] <priyankasaggu119> !
[13:46] <kushal> next
[13:47] <priyankasaggu119> " HTML is a publishing format; Markdown is a writing format." please explain, kushal
[13:47] <VirtualRcoder> Roll call:Shubham Sharma
[13:47] <kushal> priyankasaggu119, yup, good question.
[13:48] <kushal> priyankasaggu119, We write our text in markdown
[13:48] <kushal> say, *markdown* is a very nice for writing.
[13:49] <kushal> Here we  are specifying that the word markdown is of importance, but not dealing with how it will look like in the web.
[13:49] <kushal> or in the final file which users will see.
[13:49] <kushal> HTML decides how the websites/pages will look like.
[13:49] <rishibit> !
[13:49] <kushal> That is the difference.
[13:49] <priyankasaggu119> ok , got the point. Thankyou :)
[13:49] <kushal> Anyone else wants to answer priyankasaggu119 ?
[13:50] <sourabh_1031> HTML is for presentation on the web while markdown is for improve writting
[13:50] <sourabh_1031> isn't kushal?
[13:51] <sourabh_1031> here presentation == structure
[13:51] <kushal> sourabh_1031, not improve, but for writing without thinking about the final presentation look and feel.
[13:52] <priyankasaggu119> But basically we can write in HTML also, so where comes the picture of Markdown in practical sense? I mean we can easily do all such things in HTML also.
[13:52] <kushal> priyankasaggu119, yes, but let us take an example.
[13:52] <ananyo> priyankasaggu119, Markdown helps you write formatted documents very easily
[13:53] <kushal> If I ask you to type the line in HTML to create a link to https://example.com from the word Example, how will you do that? I will also type the same in markdown, let us see who can do it faster.
[13:53] <sourabh_1031> kushal sorry to interrupt but while writing markdown we think about the final format of writing
[13:53] <kushal> [Example](https://example.com)
[13:53] <kushal> done
[13:53] <kushal> I don't have worry about HTML syntax at all, we just write.
[13:53] <kushal> jasonbraganza, ^^ anything you want to add.
[13:53] <priyankasaggu119> <a href="https://example.com"></a>
[13:53] <jasonbraganza> no!
[13:54] <jasonbraganza> this was exactly what I wanted to say
[13:54] <priyankasaggu119> ok ok
[13:54] <jasonbraganza> Markdown does not get in your way
[13:54] <jasonbraganza> sourabh_1031, were you telling kushal that? or asking him that?
[13:55] <sourabh_1031> jasonbraganza, i was asking
[13:55] <priyankasaggu119> Ok, it's clear, i guess. Thanks alot kushal.
[13:55] <sourabh_1031> sorry to add ?
[13:55] <jasonbraganza> sourabh_1031, well try making a list in html
[13:55] <jasonbraganza> do you know how?
[13:56] <__rex__> !
[13:56] <sourabh_1031> yes using ul and ol tag
[13:56] <kushal> next
[13:56] <ananyo> !
[13:56] <rishibit> kushal, Can we say that Markdown is for people who hate html syntax
[13:56] <jasonbraganza> sourabh_1031, that vs how do make a list in markdown?
[13:56] <sourabh_1031> *
[13:57] <kushal> rishibit, not hate, but for the people who wants to write
[13:57] <jasonbraganza> rishibit markdown is for people who want to write and not let syntax come in the way
[13:57] <kushal> why do I care about HTML, I just want to write.
[13:57] <jasonbraganza> sourabh_1031, so which is simpler?
[13:57] <mzeeqazi> !
[13:57] <kushal> next
[13:57] <__rex__> Is html an implementation of markup ?
[13:57] <jasonbraganza> sourabh_1031 lets say you have a 10 item l;st?
[13:57] <snandi> ul
[13:58] <sourabh_1031> okay markdown is used if we concern about writing?
[13:58] <rishibit> kushal,That's it, no need to learn tedious HTML syntax
[13:58] <kushal> __rex__, No.
[13:58] <kushal> __rex__, It is an output format from markdown.
[13:58] <jasonbraganza> sourabh_1031 try writing a 100 word article in raw html vs markdown and then let me know :)
[13:58] <sourabh_1031> i think i got it thanks jasonbraganza
[13:58] <kushal> next
[13:58] <jasonbraganza> soory 1000 word :)
[13:58] <ananyo> Is there any rpm package for markdown similar to docutils for rst ?
[13:58] <kushal> ananyo, did you try dnf install markdown ?
[13:58] <prokbird> !
[13:59] <ananyo> kushal, No I didn't. Let me try
[13:59] <kushal> ananyo, rather dnf search markdown
[13:59] <ananyo> kushal, ok
[14:00] <sourabh_1031> !
[14:00] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:00] <mzeeqazi> pass, got my doubt cleared <eom>
[14:00] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:00] <prokbird> can we use markdown inside vim?
[14:01] <jasonbraganza> prokbird, short answer yes
[14:01] <jasonbraganza> prokbird LONG ANSWER ANY TEXT EDITOR :)
[14:01] <jasonbraganza> sorry about the caps
[14:01] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:01] <sourabh_1031> i tried this sudo apt-get install markdown but nothing happened
[14:01] <prokbird> jasonbraganza, thanks, np.
[14:01] <__rex__> !
[14:02] <kushal> sourabh_1031, do apt search markdown
[14:02] <kushal> I can see markdown/stable,stable 1.0.1-9 all
[14:02] <jasonbraganza> sourabh_1031, try searching . I have no good answer to that
[14:02] <sourabh_1031> kushal okay
[14:02] <sourabh_1031> jasonbraganza, np
[14:03] <jasonbraganza> sourabh_1031, i write in nano or vsc and convert using pandoc for eg. but there are a million markdown solutions
[14:03] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:03] <__rex__> kushal, but abbreviation of html is " hyper text markup language " so I thought it was an implementation of markup, what am I misinterpreting from the abbreviation ?
[14:04] <sd30> !
[14:04] <jasonbraganza> __rex__, what is the actual question? the abbreviation is correct
[14:04] <jasonbraganza> __rex__ oh markdown?
[14:04] <kushal> __rex__, markup is a generic word
[14:04] <kushal> __rex__, read the history of HTML from the wikipedia.
[14:04] <prabhu> We
[14:05] <kushal> and then comeback and ask.
[14:05] <kushal> prabhu, ?
[14:05] <kushal> next
[14:05] <sd30> "By default, Markdown produces XHTML output for tags with empty elements". Please explain?
[14:05] <jasonbraganza> sd30 <br/>
[14:05] <__rex__> jasonbraganza, how is html not a markup since the abbreviation makes it seem so ?
[14:05] <prabhu_> Sorry, <eom>
[14:05] <kushal> sd30, you can skip it for now if you do not know HTML etc.
[14:05] <sd30> kushal, okay
[14:05] <jasonbraganza> __rex__ it *is* markup
[14:05] <kushal> __rex__, markup != markdown
[14:06] <__rex__> jasonbraganza, I'll read the wikipedia page
[14:06] <jasonbraganza> __rex__ yes
[14:06] <jasonbraganza> __rex__ or ask after class
[14:06] <__rex__> kushal, I know that
[14:06] <kushal> ananyo, in Fedora 28, we also have discount-2.2.2-5.fc28.x86_64
[14:06] <__rex__> jasonbraganza, alright <eom>
[14:06] <jasonbraganza> sd30 element like those break tags are rendered according to the xhtml spec
[14:07] <sourabh_1031> sorry to interrupt anyone please share markdown link again
[14:07] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:07] <sd30> jasonbraganza, it's not very clear because I am not familiar with HTML but thank you :)
[14:07] <avik> sourabh_1031, https://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/
[14:07] <sourabh_1031> avik thanks
[14:07] <ananyo> kushal, Ok I will try that
[14:08] <jasonbraganza> sd30 which is why markdown is so handy. you don’t have to learn all the tags and specs just to write
[14:08] <ananyo> kushal, I did a dnf search and got a lot of results
[14:08] <kushal> ananyo, Okay :)
[14:09] <sd30> jasonbraganza, understood
[14:10] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:10] <sourabh_1031> ananyo, i also in my ubuntu
[14:10] <jasonbraganza> ooh nice :)
[14:10] <jasonbraganza> i meant nobody had questions :)
[14:10] <ananyo> sourabh_1031, Yeah let's see which works the best
[14:10] <rishibit> jasonbraganza, I love Markdown.
[14:11] <jasonbraganza> so do I!
[14:11] <j605> ananyo: sourabh_1031 pick one say “discount” and use it
[14:11] <j605> every markdown implementation has some quirks but none we will run into for now
[14:11] <sourabh_1031> j605 okay
[14:12] <jasonbraganza> if you folks are using Visual Studio Code that has builtin markdown support if I’m not mistaken
[14:13] <kushal> I wanted to pass this URL for more reading (other topics) https://www.eff.org/john-perry-barlow
[14:13] <kushal> brb in 10 minutes
[14:14] <sourabh_1031> !
[14:14] <spythrone> !
[14:14] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:14] <prokbird> !
[14:15] <sourabh_1031> after installing discount i typed markdown and it started
[14:15] <j605> kushal: thanks for the links. Huge reading list :)
[14:15] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:15] <spythrone> techno-utopianism ?
[14:15] <jasonbraganza> sourabh_1031 good :)
[14:15] <sourabh_1031> i mean to say do we need to type on terminal
[14:15] <rishibit> !
[14:15] <sourabh_1031> ?
[14:15] <jasonbraganza> j605, help sourabh_1031 ?
[14:15] <jasonbraganza> if you use discount that is?
[14:15] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:16] <poojaencoded> !
[14:16] <prokbird> Is there builtin markdown support in atom as well?
[14:16] <j605> sourabh_1031: use it as `markdown filename.md`
[14:16] <jasonbraganza> prokbird check. would surprise me if there wasn't
[14:16] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:16] <rishibit> kushal, jasonbraganza  Do Freedom of the Press Foundation & EFF have same goals?
[14:16] <sourabh_1031> j605 okay
[14:16] <jasonbraganza> rishibit nope
[14:16] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:17] <poojaencoded> Markdown is easy  then why people use HTML?
[14:17] <j605> sourabh_1031: also, `man markdown`
[14:17] <jasonbraganza> poojaencoded, because HTML is ultimately the end product for the net
[14:17] <prokbird> j605, did you mean vim markdown filename.md ?
[14:18] <jasonbraganza> poojaencoded, we use markdown as a convenience for us to *write*
[14:18] <AdityaPatil> poojaencoded, You can think of markdown as a higher level interface to HTML.
[14:18] <AdityaPatil> easier, but less powerful
[14:18] <jasonbraganza> poojaencoded, utltimately the markdown engine produces html so that everyone can *read*
[14:19] <j605> prokbird: your question doesn't make sense. `vim markdown firename.md` will load vim with two files, “markdown” and “filename.md”
[14:19] <jasonbraganza> poojaencoded HTML is the standard. Markdown was made to make writing easier and more accessible. Is that clear enough?
[14:19] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:19] <Sarques__> prokbird to execute your file in terminal, use markdown filename.md
[14:19] <jasonbraganza> ok on a related note
[14:19] <jasonbraganza> how many of you write frequently now?
[14:20] <schubisu> prokbird: in `markdown my_file.md` markdown is the binary that is executed and my_file.md is the argument, so the input that should be parsed to html
[14:20] <poojaencoded> jasonbraganza:yes :)
[14:20] <j605> me, I try to write once a week now
[14:20] <Sarques__> not frequently! :(
[14:20] <jasonbraganza> the silence is deeafening :)
[14:20] <storymode7> me too (around once in a week)
[14:21] <priyankasaggu119> jasonbraganza, i write on alternative days but at different platforms.
[14:21] <philomath> jasonbraganza, Not much. I need to make a habit of writing
[14:21] <poojaencoded> !
[14:21] <bismi> I try to
[14:21] <shiva> jasonbraganza, I write 2 blogs a week.
[14:22] <jasonbraganza> shiva, you write two posts. I write two blogs :P
[14:22] <philomath> jasonbraganza, Many a times, I write but not publish
[14:22] <jasonbraganza> philomath whatcha waiting for? Christmas?
[14:22] <ash_mishra> jasonbraganza, I also try to write on every weekend.
[14:22] <shiva> jasonbraganza, yes 2 posts a week :)
[14:22] <ananyo> jasonbraganza, Once a week
[14:23] <gutsytechster> I also write once in a week.
[14:23] <jasonbraganza> how many would like to see me do a post breakdown? i don’t like mangling your posts but one of our heroes has volunteered
[14:23] <philomath> jasonbraganza, Just they are not yet complete (I feel). The documentation and details are not complete. And that ways, i have many drafts :(
[14:23] <jasonbraganza> philomath, just hit publis
[14:23] <jasonbraganza> publish
[14:24] <ash_mishra> jasonbraganza, what is meant by post breakdown?
[14:24] <philomath> jasonbraganza, I will publish few articles this weekend then :)
[14:24] <jasonbraganza> means I review your post and tell you what could be better
[14:24] <prokbird> j605, Sarques__ , schubisu : if i have to write in terminal let me know if this is correct or not ? vim filename.md and for execution we use markdown filename.md ?
[14:24] <ash_mishra> jasonbraganza, surely :)
[14:25] <j605> jasonbraganza: I don't mind criticism. I am thankful that you take the time to read and tell us what is wrong
[14:25] <ananyo> jasonbraganza, That would be great :)
[14:25] <jasonbraganza> any body else interested?
[14:25] <AdityaPatil> jasonbraganza, me
[14:25] <shiva> jasonbraganza, me
[14:25] <j605> prokbird: yes
[14:25] <storymode7> me too
[14:25] <philomath> jasonbraganza, Great. me too
[14:25] <Sarques__> prokbird yes! for editing, use first, for execution use second :)
[14:25] <Sarques__> jasonbraganza sure :)
[14:25] <jasonbraganza> ok.
[14:25] <sehenaz> me
[14:25] <avik> jasonbraganza, me!
[14:25] <sourabh_1031> jasonbraganza, i write but contribute to repos in form of technical documentation
[14:26] <gutsytechster> yes, jasonbraganza.
[14:26] <j605> prokbird: read the manual for more options as well
[14:26] <prokbird> j605, Sarques__ schubisu  thanks :)
[14:26] <jasonbraganza> sourabh_1031 it’s all writing :)
[14:26] <schubisu> prokbird: correct, if you want to edit a file you use an editor (as vim). So in both cases you have an executable (vim, markdown) and pass an argument to it (filename.md)
[14:26] <v16k> jasonbraganza, sure that would be great!
[14:26] <jasonbraganza> so here’s the post https://farhaanbukhsh.wordpress.com/2016/10/20/pycon-india-2016/
[14:26] <prokbird> j605, you mean man page?
[14:26] <jasonbraganza> read it and be back in 2 mins
[14:26] <j605> sourabh_1031: kushal helped with a wiki entry I wrote :)
[14:27] <j605> prokbird: yes, man is manual
[14:27] <jasonbraganza> say done when you are
[14:28] <jasonbraganza> done?
[14:29] <sourabh_1031> j605 :)
[14:29] <brute4s99> we didn't have a session yesterday, right ?
[14:29] <jasonbraganza> slowpokes you are!
[14:29] <jasonbraganza> done?
[14:30] <j605> done
[14:30] <spythrone> nope
[14:30] <ananyo> done
[14:30] <rishibit> done
[14:30] <j605> !
[14:30] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:30] <j605> who are BG and VanL?
[14:30] <sehenaz> done
[14:30] <AdityaPatil> done
[14:30] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:30] <brute4s99> !
[14:30] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:30] <j605> who are BG and VanL?
[14:30] <pooja_s> done
[14:31] <jasonbraganza> j605 you caUGHT ONE
[14:31] <jasonbraganza> NEXT
[14:31] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:31] <brute4s99> may i know what is going on ? I got disconnected and didn't have an entry in my calendar too
[14:31] <storymode7> done
[14:31] <jasonbraganza> ok so what is good? and what do you think could be bettered?
[14:31] <jasonbraganza> quick now
[14:31] <kushal> Can anyone please confirm if they can see today's session in the calendar?
[14:31] <j605> brute4s99: please don't butt in. wait and see what is going on
[14:31] <vshuklajr> done
[14:31] <philomath> done
[14:31] <jasonbraganza> kushal i can
[14:31] <schubisu> kushal: me too
[14:31] <Sarques__> done
[14:32] <rishibit> me too
[14:32] <bismi> kushal me
[14:32] <storymode7> kushal: i can
[14:32] <kushal> brute4s99, ^^ people can see the session, please check your settings.
[14:32] <brute4s99> kushal: okay let me see
[14:32] <umesh> kushal, i can
[14:32] <jasonbraganza> nobody has anything to say about the post?
[14:32] <philomath> I love the flow and how it is structured as Day1, Day2
[14:33] <jasonbraganza> good!
[14:33] <jasonbraganza> what else?
[14:33] <j605> jasonbraganza: there are things that only people who are in the group undertand about the post
[14:33] <j605> *understand
[14:33] <jasonbraganza> j605, yea
[14:33] <jasonbraganza> anything else you folks have to say?
[14:34] <jasonbraganza> ok my turn
[14:34] <j605> jasonbraganza: there can also be some introduction on what Pagure is or a link to it since fhackdroid gave a talk on pagure
[14:34] <gutsytechster> There were few typos like a space before a comma.
[14:34] <Sarques__> jasonbraganza python logo was awesome :)
[14:34] <philomath> jasonbraganza, you want us to tell what stuff fascinates me? Like dgplug staircase meeting, coding for the love of coding even if it not gets merged et al.
[14:34] <ABD> nope :)
[14:34] <jasonbraganza> so fhackdroid got things mostly right
[14:35] <rishibit> jasonbraganza, Post is nice but it seems that it has been written by keeping few people in mind.
[14:35] <jasonbraganza> it’s attractyve
[14:35] <jasonbraganza> it’s well structured
[14:35] <jasonbraganza> it’s a good length
[14:35] <ash_mishra> !
[14:36] <brute4s99> !
[14:36] <jasonbraganza> and i picked this post because he probably was either in the training at the time or just fresh out of it
[14:36] <jasonbraganza> so basically where you folks are now
[14:36] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:36] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:36] <prabhu> !
[14:36] <brute4s99> can I atleast get a link of the webpage in reference here? please dm me someone.
[14:36] <ash_mishra> jasonbraganza, what according to you is good length? How many words/lines
[14:36] <ash_mishra> ?
[14:37] <kps> Done
[14:37] <jasonbraganza> ash_mishra as loong as it needs be to describe what you’re writing about
[14:37] <jasonbraganza> fhackdroid wrote about 3 days in about 700 words
[14:37] <jasonbraganza> that’s nicely compressed.
[14:37] <jasonbraganza> brute4s99 https://farhaanbukhsh.wordpress.com/2016/10/20/pycon-india-2016/
[14:37] <jasonbraganza> next
[14:37] <ash_mishra> jasonbraganza, ok <eom>
[14:38] <prabhu> jasonbraganza, I found 2 typos in your post.
[14:38] <brute4s99> jasonbraganza: thank you <eom>
[14:38] <prokbird> jasonbraganza, keeping paragraph short ,nicely structured.
[14:38] <jasonbraganza> prabhu, the one I wote? or fhackdroid original?
[14:38] <prabhu> T his (spacing)
[14:38] <jasonbraganza> so here are the things to worry about
[14:39] <jasonbraganza> 1. who you are wrting for. are you clear about that?
[14:39] <jasonbraganza> 2. are you telling a good story
[14:39] <jasonbraganza> typos and spacing meh! people will point that out to you as soon as you hit publish
[14:40] <jasonbraganza> so where were we?
[14:40] <jasonbraganza> yes he has good structure and wrote really well
[14:41] <jasonbraganza> j605 pointed out one crucial thing. that’s because he innately felt it
[14:41] <jasonbraganza> fhackdroid drops names
[14:41] <jasonbraganza> but does not link to them or describe them
[14:41] <jasonbraganza> if you do that, the reader feels left out
[14:42] <jasonbraganza> who’s bg? who’s vanl? why do I care?
[14:42] <jasonbraganza> so involve the reader. even if it only is future you
[14:42] <jasonbraganza> i write for me
[14:42] <jasonbraganza> or my friends
[14:42] <jasonbraganza> that is my audience
[14:43] <jasonbraganza> and even I sometimes go back to an old post and go huh?
[14:43] <jasonbraganza> so that is one thing I would fix
[14:44] <jasonbraganza> then I’d fix the rhythm
[14:44] <jasonbraganza> it is day 1 /2/3 but i should not have to feel the days. I should be tken from one little event to another. I’d try and do that
[14:45] <jasonbraganza> the sentences are slightly run on. I’d make them short punchy paras
[14:45] <jasonbraganza> so I did all that
[14:46] <jasonbraganza> other than fixing up the links to folks, because I was too tired today
[14:46] <jasonbraganza> so read this, https://janusworx.com/pycon-india-2016-farhaan-bukhsh.html
[14:46] <jasonbraganza> and tell me if it’s better than the original
[14:47] <jasonbraganza> two mins
[14:47] <jasonbraganza> go
[14:48] <wimbledon> Is session going on here? I'm from Australia
[14:48] <sd30> It is better. It looks more structured and neat
[14:48] <philomath> jasonbraganza, I believe fhackdroid used VanL and BG as they would be their IRC nicks in the channel.
[14:49] <philomath> You changed their nicks to their name that makes it better for the reader
[14:49] <jasonbraganza> philomath, see you had to explain that to me. a post should be self explanaatory
[14:49] <jasonbraganza> philomath, i changed their names and I should have linked to their work
[14:49] <jasonbraganza> that would have been the final fix
[14:50] <jasonbraganza> also Pagure. it’s obscure enough that it needs a link so that I know what irt is I want to know
[14:50] <jasonbraganza> the point is not to leave the reader out
[14:51] <philomath> I believe there can be more detail on what weechat is
[14:51] <jasonbraganza> philomath now yousee :)
[14:52] <jasonbraganza> but it’s up to the author. everything cannot be linked out to! :)
[14:52] <jasonbraganza> the one thing I haven’t done is change his voice
[14:52] <philomath> PR is pretty vague over here.
[14:52] <jasonbraganza> philomath enough now :)
[14:52] <kps> Its a lot improved
[14:52] <brute4s99> jasonbraganza: can a simple wikipedia hyperlink to such things be enough ?
[14:52] <jasonbraganza> brute4s99 yes
[14:53] <j605> jasonbraganza: “Baishampayan” love the name :D also you used ellipsis :) I need to write more to find proper uses for it
[14:53] <philomath> jasonbraganza, So, here's my take, write however you like at first and get everything you can written down but should filter the typos, link people later.
[14:54] <jasonbraganza> here’s what i do
[14:54] <jasonbraganza> get tthe ideas down on paper
[14:54] <jasonbraganza> in whatever order
[14:55] <jasonbraganza> quote i know i want to include. phrases i need
[14:55] <jasonbraganza> pics and links i want
[14:55] <jasonbraganza> all in
[14:55] <jasonbraganza> the I think of a story.
[14:55] <jasonbraganza> what do I want to say?
[14:56] <jasonbraganza> then I weave the facts I have into the story I want to tell
[14:56] <jasonbraganza> good example of that woule be my intention post
[14:56] <jasonbraganza> https://janusworx.com/on-intention.html
[14:56] <jasonbraganza> i wanted to talk about mindfulness and meditation
[14:57] <jasonbraganza> but i know the moment I said something like that all you young folk would intsantly turn off
[14:57] <jasonbraganza> sorry wrong link
[14:57] <jasonbraganza> I meant focus - https://janusworx.com/want-to-focus.html
[14:58] <philomath> jasonbraganza, Wow, thanks for the sharing your blogging "secrets" with us :)
[14:58] <jasonbraganza> once the story is done. the I give folks the means to go out and expand on the story
[14:58] <jasonbraganza> that’s where the inclusivity and the links and the references come in
[14:59] <jasonbraganza> then i see whether I can shorten it
[14:59] <jasonbraganza> as it is when you tell the story 9/10ths of your research falls on the floor
[14:59] <jasonbraganza> can you make it shorter? tighter? give it a rhythm?
[15:00] <jasonbraganza> and then you can do the typos :)
[15:00] <jasonbraganza> i have no shame btw
[15:00] <jasonbraganza> i post after the story is done
[15:00] <jasonbraganza> i pay no heed to typos or length
[15:01] <jasonbraganza> because I keep working on the post :)
[15:01] <jasonbraganza> so if it’s on your own blog, give your self free rein
[15:01] <jasonbraganza> because no one else is going to
[15:01] <jasonbraganza> and that’s the power of these machines called blogs
[15:02] <jasonbraganza> if i had to write for someone, I have to hit a deadline, i cannot use my voice (which is only fair) and i have to work to their specs
[15:02] <jasonbraganza> so folowing my own rules and summarising
[15:03] <jasonbraganza> 1. Know who you are writimng for
[15:03] <jasonbraganza> 2. Write
[15:03] <jasonbraganza> 3. Write some more :)
[15:03] <jasonbraganza> I will pick up my python reins next week
[15:04] <jasonbraganza> and there the audience is me
[15:04] <jasonbraganza> i want two things
[15:04] <jasonbraganza> 1. a measure of daily progress, which is what the short daily progress notes are about
[15:05] <jasonbraganza> 2. a way to express what I’ve learnt in my own words which will be longer posts (like my book notes)
[15:06] <jasonbraganza> and a bit of humour because I’m always frustrated when I’m looking things up. Past me always cheers up present me :)
[15:06] <jasonbraganza> i think we’ll call it a night :)
[15:06] <jasonbraganza> questions anyone?
[15:07] <kps> !
[15:07] <brute4s99> !
[15:07] <jasonbraganza> also please read the blogging secrtion in the summer training guide. that explains why to write :)
[15:07] <jasonbraganza> next
[15:07] <kps> Is writing twice a week enough?
[15:08] <spythrone> !
[15:08] <jasonbraganza> kps depends on what you want out of writing in the ling term
[15:08] <jasonbraganza> kps if you’re just documenting for your self, yes
[15:08] <kps> Ok jasonbraganza
[15:08] <prabhu> !
[15:09] <jasonbraganza> kps if you’re building a portfolio and body of work to gain an audience or for future prospects, you need to write more
[15:09] <jasonbraganza> next
[15:09] <brute4s99> jasonbraganza: As you picked Mamata Venkat as your example for the post, how are we supposed to pick our examples for the blog post ? Can you please guide us on that?
[15:09] <kps> Ok
[15:09] <jasonbraganza> brute4s99, research :) and reading,. I read a lot, so I know where I read something or saw something
[15:10] <jasonbraganza> brute4s99, if you don’t you just have to work harder and do more research. like I said, you research 10 things and end up using 1
[15:10] <jasonbraganza> next
[15:10] <brute4s99> got it, jasonbraganza . Thank you! <eom>
[15:10] <spythrone> jasonbraganza: Should we have to build up our reading skills also ?
[15:11] <jasonbraganza> spythrone ths shows you havent read the blogging chapter :P
[15:11] <philomath> !
[15:11] <jasonbraganza> anyone knows what I ensded with?
[15:11] <jasonbraganza> Read more than you write, live more than you read.
[15:11] <jasonbraganza> next
[15:11] <prabhu> jasonbraganza, How to know that where to add links?
[15:11] <spythrone> jasonbraganza: Thanks
[15:12] <jasonbraganza> prabhu if you cabn’t make out ask someone else to read it. link out to whatever they go huh at
[15:12] <jasonbraganza> next
[15:12] <philomath> jasonbraganza, You use paper to write down ideas for every posts?
[15:12] <philomath> <eom>
[15:13] <ananyo> Thanks kushal, jasonbraganza for today's session. Logging off now
[15:13] <prabhu> jasonbraganza, thanks!
[15:13] <prabhu> <eom>
[15:13] <jasonbraganza> no no. i mean i do. you don’t have to. just write it all down some place. pad computer phone, no matter
[15:13] <jasonbraganza> next
[15:13] <jasonbraganza> aright then :)
[15:14] <jasonbraganza> Roll Call
[15:14] <jasonbraganza> Jason Braganza
[15:14] <Sarques__> Gajendra Saraswat
[15:14] <prokbird> tabrez khan
[15:14] <philomath> Mohit Bansal
[15:14] <sd30> Shruti Dash
[15:14] <priyankasaggu119> Priyanka Saggu
[15:14] <gutsytechster> Prashant Sharma
[15:14] <prabhu> Prabhu Sharan Singh
[15:14] <shiva> Shiva Saxena
[15:14] <bhavin192> Bhavin Gandhi
[15:14] <j605> Jagannathan Tiruvallur Eachambadi
[15:14] <AdityaPatil> Aditya Patil
[15:14] <smule> Shital Mule
[15:14] <spythrone> Pragyat Singh Rana
[15:14] <olajayi__> Ola Ajayi
[15:14] <ann> Anu Kumari Gupta
[15:14] <snandi> Shamik Nandi
[15:14] <sehenaz> Sehenaz Parvin
[15:14] <brute4s99> Piyush Aggarwal
[15:15] <ash_mishra> Ashish Kumar Mishra
[15:15] <BhaveshSGupta[m]> Bhavesh Gupta
[15:15] <jasonbraganza> alright and if you want to know what chanhed between the two posts, you can see the whole process here - https://github.com/jasonbraganza/words/commits/master
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