DGPLUG Summer Training Logs for 2018/06/29

13:30 : jasonbraganza #startclass
13:30 : Roll Call
13:31 : shiva Shiva Saxena
13:31 : storymode7 Mayank Singhal
13:31 : sehenaz_ Sehenaz Parvin
13:31 : sjha2048 sahil
13:31 : ash_mishra Ashish Kumar Mishra
13:31 : Sarques Gajendra Saraswat
13:31 : newrg Rajat Gupta
13:31 : man-jain Manank Patni
13:31 : Rakshit__ Rakshit Airani
13:31 : kvy kumar vipin yadav
13:31 : pr97 Priyanka Sharma
13:31 : vshuklajr Vivek Shukla
13:31 : shreyas1496 Shreyas Patankar
13:31 : meanjeet Manjeet Mehta
13:31 : j605 Jagannathan Tiruvallur Eachambadi
13:31 : sourabhdeshmukh sourabh deshmukh
13:31 : jaydeep Jaydeep Borkar
13:31 : sidntrivedi012 Siddhant N Trivedi
13:31 : vishalIRC Vishal Kushwaha
13:31 : jasonbraganza Jason Braganza
13:31 : bismi Janifa M
13:31 : priyankasaggu119 Priyanka Saggu
13:31 : AdityaPatil Aditya Patil
13:31 : sourabh1031 Sourabh Pruthi
13:31 : prodyte pawan
13:31 : rohan_h Rohan Hazra
13:31 : Abhi Abhishek Kedia
13:32 : Shaikh Shaikh farhan
13:32 : jasonbraganza alright
13:32 : gutsytechster Prashant Sharma
13:32 : jasonbraganza so how many of you haven’t put their names in the list kushal provided
13:32 : the names of their blogs?
13:32 : say me
13:32 : kvy me
13:32 : jaydeep me
13:32 : Sarques me
13:32 : bismi me
13:32 : shreyas1496 me
13:32 : Dunkenmaster_ not me
13:32 : newrg me
13:33 : Abhi me
13:33 : ash_mishra me
13:33 : vshuklajr me
13:33 : Shaikh Me
13:33 : sehenaz_ jasonbraganza, me. couldn't find the link.
13:33 : ash_mishra *not me
13:33 : jasonbraganza alright. and how many of you haven’t gotten themselves blogs yet? say me
13:33 : devesh_verma Roll call Devesh Verma
13:33 : bismi me
13:33 : devesh_verma me
13:33 : meanjeet me
13:33 : jaydeep me
13:33 : newrg me
13:33 : Shaikh Me
13:34 : Abhi me
13:34 : jasonbraganza alright
13:34 : olajayi_ Roll call Olajayi
13:34 : me
13:34 : jasonbraganza all of you read https://summertraining.readthedocs.io/en/latest/blogging.html?
13:34 : if you haven’t say me
13:35 : D1nz Rollcall Dinesh
13:35 : priyankasaggu119 me
13:35 : sorry i have
13:35 : jasonbraganza :)
13:35 : D1nz me
13:35 : jasonbraganza ok
13:36 : so here’s the link
13:36 : https://pad.riseup.net/p/dgplug18
13:36 : RJ722 me
13:36 : cypher_ rollcall Naman Sharma
13:36 : VirtualRcoder Roll call: Shubham Sharma
13:36 : jasonbraganza to the the folks who haven’t added your rss feeds there, add them now
13:37 : pooja_s roll call:sulakhe pooja
13:37 : jasonbraganza also who had trouble finding the rss feed link on their blog?
13:37 : let me know please
13:37 : kvy !
13:37 : aryan13 roll call:aryan tripathi
13:38 : Sarques jasonbraganza we have to make our account on wordpress.com, right?
13:38 : Actually blog^
13:39 : jasonbraganza to the folks who haven’t gotten themselves blogs, sign up for an acount at wrodpress.com and create a blog there tonight?
13:39 : dunken Has the session started?
13:39 : jasonbraganza *wordpress.com
13:39 : dunken yes
13:39 : Shaikh Yes
13:40 : Sarques It is asking to make a website, is that it? jasonbraganza
13:40 : jasonbraganza yes
13:40 : Sarques Okay
13:40 : dunken qwertyuiop
13:41 : jasonbraganza so sehenaz_ add your feed to the link?
13:41 : Abhi why do we need to create a website?
13:41 : sehenaz_ jasonbraganza, doing it but network is very slow now.
13:42 : kvy jasonbraganza, when did kushal provide that link ?
13:43 : man-jain kvy: link has been shared several times
13:43 : j605 Abhi: read https://summertraining.readthedocs.io/en/latest/blogging.html?
13:43 : kvy man-jain, i mean in which session ?
13:43 : Shaikh_ Day after yesterday's
13:44 : meanjeet kvy, last class took by kushal
13:44 : jasonbraganza Also Amritraj? Sehenaz, Prajit, Avik, Manank, Priyanka Sharma, Pawan, Sahil, Ratan, Bhavesh, Neeraj
13:44 : man-jain Shaikh_: yes
13:44 : vshuklajr !
13:44 : jasonbraganza all you folks have the wrong link pasted in
13:44 : Can you fix?
13:44 : kvy man-jain, Shaikh_, meanjeet ok
13:44 : sjha2048 yes sure
13:45 : jasonbraganza if you need help, ask me
13:45 : man-jain jasonbraganza: yes i can can you please tell what is wrong
13:45 : sjha2048 actually i am not getting the rss link can you help jasonbraganza ?
13:46 : Abhi !
13:46 : poojaencoded roll call:pooja kumari singh
13:46 : RJ722 sjha2048: link to your blog please?
13:46 : kvy sjha2048, https://pad.riseup.net/p/dgplug18
13:46 : sehenaz_ jasonbraganza, i am also not getting the link. Please help.
13:46 : jasonbraganza if you have a wordpress blog, the rss is as simple as https://somthing.wordpress.com/feed/
13:47 : man-jain jasonbraganza: okay thanks
13:47 : Abhi What's today's class about?
13:47 : man-jain I have corrected it
13:47 : jasonbraganza next
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13:48 : Abhi !
13:48 : jasonbraganza next
13:48 : kvy jasonbraganza, got my answer
13:48 : jasonbraganza next
13:49 : vshuklajr Am i suppose to pay them for a good domain name ? They have by default provided me a random site address but it's not looking well , while others are paid
13:49 : rohan_h jasonbraganza I think .clearqueue clears the queue
13:49 : vshuklajr ones
13:49 : jasonbraganza vshuklajr, right now, stick to the free stuff
13:49 : vshuklajr jasonbraganza: okay
13:50 : jasonbraganza vshuklajr, you can always edit your name to something you like.
13:50 : next
13:50 : Abhi What's today's class about?
13:50 : soniya29 Roll call:Soniya Vyas
13:50 : jasonbraganza Writing. your doubts about writing. and the importance of writing
13:50 : next
13:51 : sehenaz_ added yourself?
13:51 : who else is there?
13:51 : umesha Roll call umesh sharnagat
13:52 : j605 Abhi: did you read the post I linked. It was a hometask
13:52 : bismi !
13:52 : jasonbraganza RatanShreshtha, i think github will have some feed for your blog
13:52 : put that in
13:52 : next
13:52 : bismi Why you said to start one in wordpress and not in medium,github or any other?
13:53 : sehenaz jasonbraganza, added.
13:53 : Abhi_ Sorry to interrupt, but my internet got disconnected i was unable to get my answer can i get that again?
13:53 : storymode7 !
13:53 : Sarques jasonbraganza added!
13:53 : jaydeep bismi,Kushal already answered that question, I guess
13:54 : j605 Abhi_: 15:51 <@jasonbraganza> Writing. your doubts about writing. and the importance of writing
13:54 : jasonbraganza bismi wordpress is simplest. also it’s easy to move data in and out of wrodpress. the others not so much. Besides Auttomatic ( the company behind Wordpress) has a stron open source background
13:54 : prabhu Rollcall: Prabhu Sharan Singh
13:55 : jasonbraganza neext
13:55 : bismi jasonbraganza okay
13:55 : jasonbraganza next
13:55 : storymode7 jasonbraganza, the oxford styleguide seems great! It answers all my basic questions. But it's quite large. How do you suggest to incorporate more of the style guide's elements in our writing?
13:56 : jasonbraganza storymode7,like this :P - https://janusworx.com/categories/daily-programming.html
13:56 : storymode7, write daily. practice.
13:56 : storymode7, you’ll see most of the posts are one liners and crappy
13:57 : storymode7 jasonbraganza, oh thanks! I'll try to write daily :)
13:57 : jasonbraganza storymode7, but out of all that https://janusworx.com/categories/loc.html emrges
13:58 : storymode7, some of my best posts have come because something struck me and I wanted to tell the world about it. But I cannot tell the world my story, if I don’t know how to
13:58 : for that you need to work on your chops daily!
13:58 : next
13:59 : We are prgrammers, and coders and software developers and students
13:59 : storymode7 jasonbraganza, that helps. Thanks :)
13:59 : jasonbraganza and we all want to grow big and do newer and bigger things
13:59 : but lets say you do
13:59 : what then?
14:00 : do you really think the world will beat a path to your door?
14:00 : a thousand and one github stars over night?
14:00 : no!
14:00 : manas_tech Roll call : Manas kashyap
14:00 : jasonbraganza you need to learn to tell your story
14:00 : about what your learning
14:00 : what your doing
14:00 : what you’re making
14:01 : and people who are interested will slowly come and follow you
14:01 : and you build that up over time
14:01 : ananyo !
14:02 : jasonbraganza and then whe you have something big to ship, you will already have your evangelists!
14:02 : and to tell your story, you need to write :)
14:02 : next
14:03 : while I wait for ananyo, let me continue
14:03 : ananyo What do we do after we have have written our blog to let the world know about it? Do we just leave it to search engines to index our blog in their search results?
14:03 : jasonbraganza here’s a link to Kevin Kelly’s seminal post http://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/
14:03 : ananyo, for now yes
14:03 : ananyo Or do we share it in some popular platforms ?
14:04 : jasonbraganza ananyo, read the link at the end of the blogging post
14:04 : ananyo this one - https://janusworx.com/seth-akimbo-blogging.html. That should address your question quite well
14:05 : ananyo jasonbraganza, Thank you. Will read it
14:05 : jasonbraganza so like Kevin says all you need to make a living, a good day to day lliving, is to have a thousand true fans. That’s all it takes
14:05 : but to build up to that you need time
14:06 : so the earlier you start, the better
14:06 : you make your mistakes early. you can change quickly, and you grow
14:06 : and once you can write well, you use that skill to make your portfolio shine!
14:07 : do you think django would be as popular as it is if it weren’t for it’s awesome documentation?
14:07 : i doubt it
14:08 : they had help and newspaper roots, so that gave them a BIG leg up in their early days
14:08 : Ramit Sethi, shows a simple tactic called the Briefcase Technique to ace any interview
14:08 : https://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/the-briefcase-technique/
14:09 : You “show” what you’ve done. and what you can do, specifically for the client/interviewer
14:09 : you can’t do that if you can’t write about it!
14:10 : So write ::) write as often as you can.
14:10 : about whatever strikes your fancy
14:10 : you will soon find out what you like writing baout
14:10 : and you’ll find your niche
14:10 : but in the meanwhile, you are also improving your language skills
14:11 : and more importantly, your ability to reason. to see many sides of the same issue
14:11 : how many here have heard of the Feynman technique?
14:12 : well if you haven’t say me :P
14:12 : jaydeep me
14:12 : man-jain me
14:12 : priyankasaggu119 me
14:12 : inkaps me
14:12 : shiva me
14:12 : storymode7 me
14:12 : olajayi_ me
14:12 : ananyo not me
14:12 : sidntrivedi012 me
14:12 : gutsytechster me
14:12 : bismi me
14:12 : cypher01 me
14:12 : ananyo * me
14:12 : sehenaz not me
14:12 : vshuklajr i just duck duck go it
14:13 : kvy me
14:13 : Shaikh_ Not me
14:13 : poojaencoded not me
14:13 : jeet__ I now know it. Didn't knew about it 2 mins back.
14:13 : jasonbraganza alright here’s a link https://www.scotthyoung.com/learnonsteroids/grab/TranscriptFeynman.pdf
14:13 : Rakshit__ jasonbraganza, read about it long time back, if i remember it correctly it has to do with explaining what you know to other in a simpple way
14:13 : will have to read up about it again
14:13 : jasonbraganza you learn something and then you explain that to somebody in your own words
14:14 : That is one of the fastest ways to learn
14:14 : and you can do that so easily by writing a post!
14:14 : vshuklajr !
14:14 : jasonbraganza by the way, please keep asking questions :)
14:14 : next
14:15 : jeet__ !
14:15 : jasonbraganza I’m talking while you formulate your thougts :)
14:15 : vshuklajr Briefcase Technique sounds good for freelancer . Any suggestion for college students who've to face interview ?
14:16 : jasonbraganza vshuklajr, mayvbe ask the others later :) i was just using that as an example :)
14:16 : next
14:16 : jeet__ What if we make a really bad mistake in explaining the concepts we understood in the blog. This may even lead to a bad impression. May lead to negative comments.
14:16 : jasonbraganza jeet__, so what?
14:16 : jeet__ So that might leave a negative impression on the blog
14:17 : jasonbraganza jeet__, that is what feedback does
14:17 : jeet__ you learn faster :)
14:17 : jeet__ you factcheck better :)
14:17 : jeet__ don’t worry about what people may think
14:17 : jeet__ if something is wrong we correct it.
14:17 : gutsytechster
14:18 : jeet__ Yes. True that! Atleast it would be better to make mistake on an editable blog post that to the my Hiring manager. :)
14:18 : Got it jasonbraganza
14:18 : jasonbraganza THAT is what rthe comments are for and pleasant conversation
14:18 : jeet__ if someopne just voices an opinion that is contrary to what you said, well you can reason and see if you agree or not. either way is ok :)
14:19 : next
14:19 : jeet__ True. Thanks jasonbraganza :)
14:19 : jasonbraganza anyone has any questions about the blogging post itself?
14:20 : anyone has any questions about writing? :)
14:20 : vishalIRC !
14:20 : j605 !
14:20 : pr97 !
14:20 : annn !
14:20 : jasonbraganza avik around?
14:20 : next
14:21 : vishalIRC what do you think is better: starting a blog with a hyper focused theme or a general blog?
14:21 : jasonbraganza vishalIRC, depends
14:21 : vishalIRC, can you write well? do you have a deep knowledge of your niche?
14:21 : man-jain !
14:21 : avik yes
14:22 : jasonbraganza vishalIRC, if either is true go right ahead. The general satuff is supposed to get you started. If you’re already on a higher plane, go fly :)
14:22 : vishalIRC jasonbraganze, I'm writing about a project that i'm working on. I think there's a lack of content about it.
14:22 : jasonbraganza vishalIRC, sounds awesome :) do it!
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14:22 : vishalIRC s jasonbraganze \jasonbraganza
14:23 : j605 Do you use a thesaurus or edit your posts extensively?
14:23 : avik jasonbraganza, o/ how can I help?
14:23 : jasonbraganza also folks please ignore the tremendous typos I make! I have damaged nerves
14:23 : vishalIRC !
14:24 : jasonbraganza avik, please fix your feed in the link that kushal gave?
14:24 : avik jasonbraganza, what is wrong?
14:24 : oh yes
14:24 : i think i know! its the whome page!
14:25 : jasonbraganza j605, i use what Taleb calls tinkering :) I write a post and then keep polishing it. I rarely use a thesaurus, but that’s because reading extensively *is* my thesaurus :)
14:25 : avik :)
14:25 : next
14:25 : schubisu vishalIRC, don't block yourself with a too strict set of contents, write about what you want. You can continue projects at any time.
14:25 : pr97 How to write an effective "About" section ?
14:26 : vishalIRC jasonbraganza, you sure type fast for person with nerve damage :D
14:26 : jasonbraganza pr97, imagine, what do you want to read about when you see other peoples blogs? write that for yourself :) and keep revising it :)
14:26 : next
14:26 : annn Is it required to give the references always?
14:27 : jasonbraganza annn CONFUSEd. GIVE ME A FOR EXAMPLE?
14:27 : pr97 okay thanks jasonbraganza
14:27 : jasonbraganza annn and sorry about the yelling :)
14:27 : next
14:27 : man-jain What if we couldn't be consistent in writing. Wouldn't it give a bad impression of us to others. Also how to be consistent.
14:28 : annn Like I watched a YouTube video and want to convey the same thing in words. Do I need to provide the YouTube link as reference? Just an eg.
14:28 : jasonbraganza man-jain, consistent in quantity? or quality?
14:28 : man-jain Consistent in quantity
14:28 : jasonbraganza annn, yes always. if you have been inspired by someone or you are using someones stuff, credit them
14:28 : man-jain Like in doing all the other things you just leave it.
14:28 : bhavin192 annn, yes, always give the reference, we should always give credits to people, sites from where we learn.
14:29 : annn Then I fear that it feels like copying :P
14:29 : jasonbraganza man-jain, saw my porgramming posts series? :P
14:29 : man-jain here https://janusworx.com/categories/daily-programming.html
14:29 : bhavin192 annn, as long as you don't copy paste whole article as it is, it's not copy
14:29 : man-jain I saved it i would be reading it later
14:29 : annn Ok jasonbraganza bhavin192 Thanks.
14:29 : jasonbraganza man-jain and my daily writing here https://mjbraganza.com/tag/daily-writing/
14:30 : j605 annn: not providing references is copying commonly know as plagiarism
14:30 : man-jain Okay i will read them surely
14:30 : jasonbraganza man-jain, do the lowest possible thing you can do :) develop the habit first :) just write meh if you want, but write :)
14:30 : BhaveshSGupta[m] Roll Call: Bhavesh Gupta
14:30 : jasonbraganza next
14:30 : vishalIRC what do you think is better: sheer capability or ability to market oneself?
14:31 : jasonbraganza vishalIRC, both :)
14:31 : man-jain Okay Thanks :) jasonbraganza
14:31 : jasonbraganza vishalIRC, edison is more popular than Tesla, because? Marketing :)
14:31 : vishalIRC jasonbraganza, ok, that makes sense :)
14:31 : jasonbraganza next
14:31 : aww come on people :)
14:32 : avik jasonbraganza, sorry to interrupt, but I think I did it correct this time! please check when you are free!
14:32 : annn !
14:32 : bhavin192 avik, checking
14:32 : jasonbraganza avik, sure
14:32 : j605 !
14:32 : jasonbraganza thank you BhaveshSGupta[m]
14:32 : avik thanks!
14:32 : jasonbraganza soerry i meant bhavin192 :)
14:32 : next
14:33 : bhavin192 avik, it's correct.
14:33 : annn Can my blogs be too short? Like two or three lines, because I need to make it a habit daily and make time for it.
14:33 : shadowroot session started guys ?
14:33 : annn And writing a long one takes so much tine for me.
14:33 : jasonbraganza annn, many of mine are one liners :)
14:33 : man-jain shadowroot: yes
14:33 : jasonbraganza next
14:34 : j605 How to find topics to write about. I wrote something last week but have no idea about my next post
14:34 : annn s/tine/time
14:34 : jasonbraganza j605, i can tell you about what I do
14:34 : annn !
14:34 : j605 shadowroot: stop doing this. You gatecrashed the class last time as well. Please observe what is going on before talking
14:34 : jasonbraganza 1. i read so there is always something I want to blab about
14:35 : avik annn, throw in some good shots if you are into photography, and wala, a good post is made, even with a few lines!
14:35 : jasonbraganza j605 2. I keep an open mind during my bath, I get the most amazing ideas then
14:35 : annn avik, nice thanks:)
14:36 : jasonbraganza j605 3. I try to synthesize to common or disparate points across media. something I read reminds me of something I saw or learnt
14:36 : j605 if all else fails, I try to pair one of my photos with a quote :P
14:36 : j605, does that help?
14:36 : schubisu annn, most web content has sharing policies. I hope we will have a session on license models again this year. When using the work of others, always make sure to respect that. To copy without giving credit is not just bad style but can be against the law
14:36 : j605 jasonbraganza: yes, thanks
14:37 : jasonbraganza j605 aah in my more productive moments, I make a list of things to write about and then slowly tackle them one at a time later
14:37 : annn schubisu, ok. I will take care.
14:37 : jaydeep !
14:37 : jasonbraganza j605, i also batch posts if I’m in a good state. highest I’ve ever written in 3 in one go :)
14:37 : next
14:38 : j605 jasonbraganza: thanks a lot :)
14:38 : shaikh_farhan !
14:38 : annn Can my blogs contain random topics? Or should it be consistent like related to one stuff.
14:38 : jasonbraganza annn, start with whatver you want. the consistent stuff will come with time :)
14:38 : next
14:38 : jaydeep jasonbraganza, what is the decent frequency of producing blogs per 15 days?
14:39 : jasonbraganza jaydeep, my current decent frequency is two posts daily :P
14:39 : jaydeep, but twice a week or once a week is better. not fortnightly. the more the better when you are starting
14:39 : next
14:40 : shaikh_farhan sir i will write my first blog today can i share the like of it in our chat tommorrow for the feedback?
14:40 : bhavin192 shaikh_farhan, no sir please!
14:40 : jasonbraganza shaikh_farhan, you added the feed link to the post? (and no sirs :)
14:40 : shaikh_farhan no
14:41 : jaydeep jasonbraganza, Okay :P, Thanks :)
14:41 : jasonbraganza shaikh_farhan, sure you can. soon once kushal sets up our student planet, we can get to see what every one writes :)
14:41 : schubisu j605, you already seem to have a quite profound knowledge about several things I would love to read more about :) One thing you can always do is summarizing news that you found interesting and add your opinion?
14:41 : jasonbraganza next
14:41 : j605 what schubisu said :) you’re knowledgeable and you’re opinionated. you ought to write :)
14:42 : bhavin192 j605, I feel same about you!
14:42 : storymode7 !
14:42 : jasonbraganza next
14:42 : storymode7 Many times when I read some how-to on a topic, and I blog about it, my post is structured quite similarly to the original post. Is this a bad practice?
14:43 : jasonbraganza storymode7, that’s because the original page is open :) close that page. or if you need it for reference what I do is move to another machine or use pen and paper and write as much as i can without referring back
14:44 : storymode7, also basiic structure being the same is quite ok. but the voice and the words should be your own
14:45 : storymode7 jasonbraganza, that's satisfying :) Thanks!
14:45 : schubisu storymode7, also maybe ask yourself why you blog about that article. You can make it more understandable, or add your opinion or just want to support and spread it. Your post should add something that hasn't been there before.
14:46 : jasonbraganza how many of you have started writing?
14:46 : shaikh_farhan me
14:46 : prabhu me
14:46 : cypher01 me
14:46 : storymode7 schubisu, will try to follow that, thanks :)
14:46 : shiva me
14:46 : gutsytechster me
14:46 : storymode7 me
14:47 : j605 me
14:47 : vishalIRC me
14:47 : Rakshit__ me
14:47 : sehenaz me
14:47 : pr97 me
14:47 : ash_mishra me
14:47 : VirtualRcoder me
14:48 : jasonbraganza oh wonderful. until the student planet is up, you could share your posts here and I promise to read them all. bhavin192 is witness, that I probably readd all of last years posts :)
14:48 : aslo schubisu :)
14:48 : the one thing you should not do like me, is the typos :P
14:48 : ananyo planning to write my first blog after long time this weekend. Will definitely keep in mind the points learnt from this session
14:49 : jasonbraganza any more questions?
14:49 : let’s call it a night then :)
14:49 : Roll Call
14:49 : shiva Shiva Saxena
14:49 : bhavin192 Also people who are reading this log later, please update your blog's details here https://pad.riseup.net/p/dgplug18
14:49 : rohan_h Rohan Hazra
14:49 : jeet__ Amitrajit Bose
14:49 : schubisu Robin Schubert
14:49 : sehenaz sehenaz parvin
14:49 : cypher01 Naman Sharma
14:49 : avik Avik Mukherjee
14:49 : vshuklajr jasonbraganza: i'll post links to my movie reviewa :p
14:49 : pr97 Priyanka Sharma
14:49 : devesh_verma Devesh Verma
14:49 : Rakshit__ Rakshit Airani
14:49 : bismi Janifa M
14:49 : bhavin192 Bhavin Gandhi
14:49 : ananyo Ananyo Maiti
14:49 : priyankasaggu119 Priyanka Saggu
14:50 : meanjeet Manjeet Mehta
14:50 : gutsytechster Prashant Sharma
14:50 : newrg Rajat Gupta
14:50 : jasonbraganza Jason Braganza
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