----BEGIN CLASS---- [13:00] #startclass [13:00] Hi everyone [13:00] let's start with [13:00] Roll Call [13:01] Robin Schubert [13:01] Jason Braganza [13:01] Ari [13:01] Mehul [13:01] Shivam Soni [13:01] Raghav "RG" Gururajan [13:03] that's not a whole lot of people [13:03] :( [13:03] I can see specbeck subho rishu_raj circuitl- and may be missing some [13:04] we talked about communication guidelines in the last session [13:04] I asked you to read the article about asking smart questions [13:04] does anyone have questions regarding that one? [13:05] Arikazufu, emsar046, shivamsoni, raghavgururajan? [13:05] no questions? [13:05] No [13:05] I am good. [13:05] yeah me too i guess [13:05] :) [13:05] i don't have any questions . [13:05] then please someone give me a one or two sentence summary of that article [13:06] remember to type ! [13:07] ! [13:07] next [13:09] Before asking any question, one should always search the internet and try to read the documentation; post the question to the relevant forum. [13:09] shivamsoni: yes, these are good points [13:10] shivamsoni: and thanks for being brave and participate ;) [13:10] there were other key elements, who noted what's missing? [13:10] And one should always check spelling and grammar before posting. [13:11] correct. Anything else? [13:11] ! [13:11] ! [13:11] next [13:12] Don't feel entitled to an answer. People are busy. [13:12] Arikazufu: ...to receive an answer. yes :) [13:12] next [13:12] Its important to keep an calm head when met with criticism and deal with peoplle in a courteous manner [13:13] emsar046: also very important and quickly forgotten online ;) right [13:13] one thing that I would consider very important is actually how to ask the question in terms of content [13:13] right no point being unnecessarily salty [13:14] you should always give some information to make it easy for others to find out: [13:14] 1. what is your problem [13:14] 2. what have you tried so far [13:14] 3. what were the results/output/logs [13:15] when describing the problem, do specify your goal, and not what you think might be the next step [13:15] these are things very often done wrong in online chats or forums, resulting in very annoying follow-up questions or people will just not answer [13:16] never ask to ask [13:16] just ask your question and have in mind that nobody can just guess what machine or programme versions you use, so give the relevant information [13:16] one word to these sessions: [13:17] these training sessions are meant to be interactive [13:17] to make the most of this programme, be here. Not just online but with your full attention [13:17] participate [13:17] and ask questions [13:17] okay [13:18] I've also asked you to watch a documentary "The internet's own boy" [13:18] who watched that? Please answer yes/no [13:18] yes [13:18] Yes [13:19] yes [13:21] yes [13:21] I've seen that one some years ago, but yesterday I also sat down to re-watch [13:21] specbeck, Arikazufu, emsar046; did you know the docu or was it new to you? [13:22] yes i had watched it earlier, last month, learnt about it from the before-you-start-guide [13:22] emsar046: nice ;) [13:22] No, it was new to me [13:23] I have watched it few years ago around 2015 December, watched it again yesterday. [13:23] does anyone want to share some thoughts? [13:25] I remember when I first saw that film [13:25] hm, that guy was about my age [13:25] when I realize, so is the internet [13:25] and it would have been also in my powers to help shape the internet like he did [13:25] and it still is [13:26] if we think about the impact that software and the world of technology we build has on society, what examples did you find in that documentation? [13:26] I personally found it very inspiring, especially the fact that some people have such a profound impact on people's lives world wide and most of us don't even know about them, i didn't know about Aaron before i watched the documentary and neither did anyone i know [13:27] It is interesting to see why people behave the way they do, from a psychology point of view. The statements or views of the litigator/attorney general were ignorant. [13:27] Yet they are in such positions of power. [13:29] I also didn't know him before I saw it [13:29] although I knew Creative Commons, Redit and the Open Library [13:29] Later I learned about Securedrop and RSS [13:30] all tools he helped to develop [13:30] all tools that were meant to make information accessible [13:30] this is actually one big driver of the Hacker Ethics [13:31] that information should be free and accessible for anyone [13:31] to make progress [13:31] what else was there? [13:32] Idea of mass surveillance, pre Snowden. [13:33] Arikazufu: correct [13:33] and that's one perfect example of the way tools can be built and used, too [13:34] this is to make you aware that you will be building tools as software engeneers [13:34] tools that could be potentially empowering people [13:34] or to be used to suppress/surveil people [13:35] Software is used almost anywhere now, and we, as the folks who write it, have a responsibility [13:35] I want you to watch another 10 minute film, please watch and come back here in 10 [13:35] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WS9DhSIWR0 [13:45] please type "me" once you're done watching the clip [13:46] me [13:46] me [13:46] Me [13:48] raghavgururajan's battery may be low by now [13:48] specbeck, rishu_raj, ritik are you with us? [13:49] yes [13:49] what is the Declaration of Independence of Cyberspace about? [13:50] ! [13:50] next [13:50] Apologies! Battery died. Just reached home and connected from laptop. [13:50] raghavgururajan: okay [13:51] while shivamsoni is typing, others can raise their hands, too ;) [13:52] ! [13:53] It is a message from all the people who consider Cyberspace their home to the world governments that they don't impose their rules upon us and let us live by our rules. [13:53] ! [13:53] shivamsoni: right [13:54] next [13:54] Incompatible outdated laws don't fit well for the cyberspace. [13:54] Arikazufu: true :) what is the difference? [13:55] next [13:55] I feel it aims to show us that cyberspace is not something that a single person or organization can claim to control, it belongs to the people as a whole and cannot be constrained by any single entity's opinions or aspirations. [13:55] emsar046: yes also good point [13:56] it should already be striking us, that cyberspace can be a home for anyone [13:56] a space but no physical space [13:56] Eg. copyright laws. From the documentary, the attorney general said, "stealing is stealing". That was her understanding/interpretation. Clearly that was wrong. [13:57] schubisu [13:57] Apologies! network issue that's why i disconnected now i am back [13:58] Arikazufu: right, it is important to differentiate. As Aaron's friend said; he would not say it should be legal to just copy everything without permission, but it is a difference [13:58] there's no physical harm [13:58] rishu_raj: okay, glad you're back ;) [13:59] cyberspace could be that world without borders, maybe it was for a certain time [13:59] yesterday, someone pointed out, that the documentation was not available in their country [13:59] so governments actually try to move THEIR borders into cyberspace as well, and push/force their rules on us [14:00] the internet can be an awesome tool [14:00] as we're talking here right now, being hundreds of kilometers apart [14:00] but the freedom of the internet is also in dager, as is our privacy and security. [14:01] These are things to consider when making software and technology [14:02] I'd be happy to talk about this more here in the channel, if anyone is interested between sessions [14:02] for now, does anyone have questions before we wrap up this session? [14:03] none from my side [14:03] as kushal already mentioned the first day; stay online in the channel as much as possible. Start or join discussions on topics that interest you. This is how a community works and how you happen to be a part of it [14:03] nothing from my side [14:04] okay [14:04] next session will be August 1st, 18:30 IST [14:05] please everyone read this blog post as homework: https://kushaldas.in/pages/hacker-ethic-and-free-software-movement.html [14:05] Roll Call [14:05] Ari [14:05] Shivam [14:05] Robin Schubert [14:05] Saransh Sood [14:06] Mehul [14:06] schubisu onces i read the complete conversation of today than i ask you question is it ok for u ----END CLASS----